Never since the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor has this country needed leadership like it does today. Hiding behind discredited rationalizations is not leadership.
ROTFLMAO! How can we take you seriously when you say things like this?
I will though:
If this administration is ever going to get the support of the majority of the American people on Iraq (notice I'm not commenting on how I feel about this war or his reasons for taking us there), he is going to have to come clean and level with the American public. Admit that there have been major mistakes. Admit that the reasons given for going to war haven't held up. Admit that things are not going well, that the Iraqi army is a long, long way from being able to handle security. Admit that the biggest threat at this point is that of a civil war and that civil war is something that must be avoided at all costs. If we are going to "stay in the fight until the fight is won", as he said tonight, how do we define victory? What new initiatives does this administration offer in order to achieve this "victory?" Lay out a plan.
there have been mistakes. The men and women of our armed forces have admitted as much. The American people know there have been mistakes, but the American people can't stand having those mistakes rammed down out throat every single day and we also understand mistakes will be made. It comes with the territory of fighting a war.
the reasons for going in HAVE held up. Yes, he had ties to not just Al-Qaeda but other trerrorist organizations and these include:
a. Al-Zarqawi given preferential treatment after he was injured in Afghanistan fighting against us (don't you find it ironic that if he never had ties to terrorism that a senior member of Al-Qaeda would get better treatment in a hospital than his own people?)
b. the lone escapee from the first WTC bombing in 1993 (done by Al-Qaeda) was found in Iraq on the government payroll
c. Abu Abbas, who killed American Leon Klinghoffer aboard the cruiseship Achille Lauro, was found in Iraq.
d. he sent 10,000 and 25,000 dollar checks to families of suicide bombers for killing Israelis
e. a documents found in Baghdad showed that Saddam looked at Bin laden as a intelligence agent.
f. the 9/11 commission said in its report that there were ties between the 2. I'll believe them long before I believe any member of the left wing press.
all of these are factually true backed by legitimate documents and will never be heard of in the mainstream press.
you are incorrect again, this is going very well. You know how long we stayed in Germany and Japan? 7 years apiece. We had a vote in January in which people walked for hours just to cast a vote for their leaders. These people have freedoms. The unemployment rate has dropped by half from 70% to 35%. It's probably lower now.
It will not deteriorate into civil war because there really aren't two sides here. The vast majority of Iraqis are in favor of this. The "insurgency" is really terrorists being sent in from Syria and Iran to fgiht us because a democratic Iraq is a major threat to them. They don't want to be occupied but who does? They don't want us to leave until the country is secure. I will agree with you that the Iraqi forces have some work to do.
I think the better question would be, that if you're against this what plan would you have for protecting this country from terrorist attacks. You do a good job of criticizing but lay out nothing else. Let's hear what you would do.
The more we hear about the insurgency being in its final throes, the more we hear the insistence that this war somehow has something to do with 9/11, the more we hear that Saddam posed a serious security threat to the U.S., the more we hear the same old worn out story that this is part of the war on terrorism, the more credibility this administration is going to lose with the American people. And without credibility, it is not going to have public support. The feeling that Bush is pursuing an ill-advised agenda is going to grow.
he never called Saddam an imminent threat. He called them a gathering threat. An imminent threat is the hijackers on September 10th This has everything to do with the war on terror. Who would you rather have fighting the terrorists, the brave soldiers of our fighting forces or us? If we're not fighting them over there we're fighting them here. They will not stop until every last one of us is dead and that means we need to get nastier than them. No country won a war without going onto the offensive at some point. We have gone on the offensive and now these things have happened:
Syria has pulled out all troops from Lebanon.
elections in Afghanistan, Iraq and Palestine
the first election of any type in Saudi Arabia in over 400 years
The first Kuwaiti woman in a cabinet role
not to mention that the terrorists have lost 2 safe havens in Iraq and Afghanistan.
the people who beleive Bush is pursuing an ill advised policy would rather have Saddam in power and his slaughtering the Iraq people by the hundreds of thousands than giving them the freedoms they need to live a prosperous life. They are so filled with hatred for this man for WINNING the 2000 election(and he won it) that they can't stand even the sight of him.
Stop repeating the lie that this has something to do with 9/11. How many times are you going to repeat this lie? That is one of his problems. The majority of Americans have figured this out. They know they are being lied to. How can you gain their credibility and support when they know they are being lied to?
this has everything to do with 9/11. Now Saddam had no links to 9/11 (except that a judge when presented with evidence said that he did) but as I have pointed out he had numerous ties to Al-Qaeda and terrorism in general. Where are the terrorists going to now? Iraq. This is a brilliant job of Bush taking pressure off of the American people and getting to the heart of the total war. by going to Iraq we have turned the attention of the terrorists to Iraq rather than on us and their attempts to kill us. 4 years later and still not a sinlge terrorist attack on our country. Seems like a pretty damn good track record to me.
I know there are a lot of people here who support the administration. Please don't confuse lack of support for this administration with lack of support for this country's ideals or the soldiers who are answering the call. Please don't imply that I and others didn't support the strongest military action terrorists after 9/11. Leave that kind of garbage to the greatest gutter politician of our time--Karl Rove.
are you speaking of his comments the other night? When he correctly said that the conservatives wanted to kick some ass and the liberals wanted to try and understand the terrorists. Where did he go wrong? The weekend when we started bombing the hell out of the Afghans the libs went into full spin mode attacking the president that he was taking to long to respond. Then they started spinning about the war itself in Afghanistan saying it would be a quagmire, that we would lose like the Russians did a decade before us.
I respect you as a person but you are just misinformed about the situation. I to have questioned this administration since the beginning because mistakes have been made and I would have done things a little different i.e. do a better job of securing the border in the beginning and destroying the ammo dumps found throughout Iraq on the way in. Fore the most part it's gone very well.